Return-Path: Received: from cuyahoga.edrc.cmu.edu by K.GP.CS.CMU.EDU id aa03006; 12 Jun 89 11:44:03 EDT Received: from CUYAHOGA.EDRC.CMU.EDU by CUYAHOGA.EDRC.CMU.EDU; 12 Jun 89 11:43:35 EDT To: bovik@K.GP.CS.CMU.EDU Subject: cars Date: Mon, 12 Jun 89 11:43:32 EDT Message-ID: <13117.613669412@CUYAHOGA.EDRC.CMU.EDU> From: Gregg.Podnar@CUYAHOGA.EDRC.CMU.EDU DON'T even TALK to the sales staff at Ted McWilliams. They will make you mad. I promised myself I wouldn't do it but I did, and am very sorry I did. In looking for a new VW, I called a number of dealers and they gave me quotes over the phone (like Apollo and Billco). But Ted McWilliams said: They won't quote prices over the phone. They will sell me a car for $300 over invoice. If I come in they will show me invoices. If I'm buying a VW anywhere else I'm paying too much. I warned the salesman that If he couldn't beat the prices I had from 3 other dealerships (which were all about 500 over dealer invoice), that I would be pissed and badmouth them everywhere. We went down. He spent the first 20 minutes looking for keys to a car we never did see. We never saw any invoice. He told me that in the two months he worked there he'd never seen an invoice himself. In working up a so-called invoice price, they included a $150 'advertising' charge they say they have to pay on every car but "the buyer doesn't see it". Their 'invoice' price was higher than the 3 sale prices I already had, and they claimed that a dealer couldn't sell a car for that price. They were ignorant of which models were produced in which factories (Mexico, Brazil, Germany, and left-over Westmorland PA cars). Halfway through my wife got totally discusted and went and sat in our car.