Return-Path: Received: from ECONOMIC.MESS.CS.CMU.EDU by K.GP.CS.CMU.EDU id aa23655; 4 Jun 93 11:53:26 EDT Received: from ECONOMIC.MESS.CS.CMU.EDU by ECONOMIC.MESS.CS.CMU.EDU id aa11765; 4 Jun 93 11:52:57 EDT To: bovik@cs.cmu.edu Reply-To: mleone@cs.cmu.edu Subject: Commercial Internet access Date: Fri, 04 Jun 93 11:52:49 -0400 Message-ID: <11763.739209169@ECONOMIC.MESS.CS.CMU.EDU> From: Mark_Leone@ECONOMIC.MESS.CS.CMU.EDU Here's a summary of some information I recently received on obtaining commercial internet access. - Mark Leone, mleone@cs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Jun 93 14:33:54 EDT From: Mark.Maimone@A.GP.CS.CMU.EDU To: mleone+@cs.cmu.edu Subject: internet sevices Mark, First, a request to please post (at least a pointer to) a summary of the answers you receive. As for the other stuff, I don't know of any specifically local companies, but if they're willing to become a UUCP site then perhaps sending mail to info@speedway.com might get you started. They're a Japanese company based in Colorado (for US customers) that provides Internet access for the price of a phone call. You send them your physical address, then give you a SunOS account with 1 meg, on a system with FTP, telnet, email and netnews access. They also apparently provide UUCP-type netnews services. It's a for-profit company, they make their money by avoiding the local telephone company. You call in via AT&T, and instead of the usual 5% (or whatever) kickback to the local telco, AT&T pays it to Speedway. So you can't connect via Sprint or MCI, it's gotta be AT&T (102880+... will work fine). Here's some of the info I got, when I asked about an email/netnews account. I only heard abut their UUCP stuff as a side issue, so don't have anything concrete to give you. Of course, whether they feed you news or CMU feeds you news, you need software to support it (and *lots* of disk space). You should find INN somewhere; it's the latest news transport system. Supposed to be better than the otherwise-standard C-news package. Sorry I don't know a site offhand. Mabye old articles in news.software.readers or .admin will have a pointer. Good luck... Mark M. ******************** ORIGINAL ANNOUNCEMENT ******************** Date: Sat, 8 May 1993 11:18:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Robinson Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom Subject: Internet on the Nevada Plan Reply-To: Paul Robinson Organization: Tansin A. Darcos & Company, Silver Spring, MD USA Sender: telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Administrivia-To: telecom-request@eecs.nwu.edu X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 308, Message 4 of 10 Lines: 49 The "Nevada Plan" is the name I picked for that company in Nevada that set up a dial-up service in which you got the service for free, as long as you called in via AT&T because AT&T paid them the local termination fee that normally went to the local telephone company. There is a company now that is offering full Internet, i.e. a Unix shell account with E-Mail, Telnet, FTP, and news, accessible from any telephone that can dial into the AT&T Long Distance network. All that is charged to you is the cost to make the phone call via AT&T. This, I think would be a nice idea for someone wanting not-too-expensive E-mail as you could simply make one call once a day for 15c or so and collect any mail in a one-minute period if you didn't need that much. The way they make their money is on the "Nevada" plan, i.e. they get the 2c per minute (or whatever it is) that AT&T would normally pay the local telephone company to connect calls in an area. The company operates the "Speedway" dialup service. The company also advertises that it does (or will) offer slip and uucp connections. I have no interest in this other than I have an account on their system (Look below and take a wild guess at what it is) and I am trying to get a domain name set up through them. To contact them, send E-Mail to info@speedway.net or dial in on 10288 (of course) 1 503 520 2222. If you don't use AT&T (or you are calling that number from a local exchange) you get a busy signal. (This should also answer Tim Arnold's question Re: Temporary Connection needed for Conference) Paul Robinson -- TDARCOS@MCIMAIL.COM or (discontinued) TDARCOS@ATTMAIL.COM or tdarcos@access.digex.com or tdarcos@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org or (guess what account name)@speedway.net [Moderator's Note: Paul is talking about a gay party line chat service out of Reno which is wired in such a way that if you attempt to call it on any service other than AT&T, the call bounces with an intercept saying 'you must dial 10288' to place this call. All you, the caller pay is DDD rates in effect at the time. How does the proprietor of the sex-o-phone service feed his family? AT&T gives him a piece of the action, usually a couple cents on every minute of traffic he generates. If you can show Mother that you are have the means to get thousands of men calling you all night long night after night, she'll cut you in on the action also whether it be for sex-talk or checking out your email and newsgroups ... she doesn't give an iota. PAT] ******************** FOLLOWUP FROM COMPANY ******************** Return-Path: <@NS.SPEEDWAY.NET:support@speedway.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 93 06:17 PDT From: support@speedway.net (Speedway Support) Organization: Speedway Free Access (10288-1-503-520-2222) To: Mark.Maimone@A.GP.CS.CMU.EDU Subject: Re: information On May 13 at 23:01, Mark.Maimone@A.GP.CS.CMU.EDU (Mark.Maimone@A.GP.CS.CMU.EDU) writes: > > I'd like some information about your internet email service. Could > you please email me or send written documentation to: Here's what we're offering right now. SLIP/PPP and a BBS coming soon. If you would like a shell account on Speedway, please provide us with the following information: Your real name. A permanent address. Date of birth. A telephone number where we can contact you to verify this information and the hours that we may call. Three or more choices for a login name. It must be between three and eight characters and be all lower-case. An initial password, consisting of at least five characters and including a mixture of letters and numbers. When you log on the first time, please change it. Your name as you wish it to appear on the system. You can change this later with the 'chfn' (CHange Full Name) command. If you do not hear from us in the next few days, please try the login name(s) and password you provided, as we may have approved your account based on other records. Our number is 10288-1-503-520-2222. All modems are v.32bis 8N1. Note that Speedway was established to enable more people to be connected to the Internet and beyond. Telnet access to our systems may be restricted in the future, since the ability to telnet indicates that you already have Internet access and we may need the resources to instead help out people who have no connectivity at all. If you would like to set up a UUCP account, send us the name of your site. If you don't already have a domain name you can use ours. For example, if your site's UUCP name is foobar, you would be foobar.speedway.net, and people would send mail to user@foobar.speedway.net. If you have your own registered domain name and are currently getting your mail from another site, then we have to arrange to change your nameserver record. This takes about a week and we can handle the paperwork for you. If you would also like to receive a newsfeed, let us know what groups you want to get and at about what time (Pacific Time) you expect to call in and receive news, so that we can batch it up just before you call. This assumes that you have news software all up and running on your machine. -- Support Operations (remote from our Tokyo office) Speedway Free Access -- Dial 10288-1-503-520-2222 for info ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 15:58-EDT From: David.Zabowski@DANDELION.LEARNING.CS.CMU.EDU To: Mark Leone Subject: Re: Local Internet feeds? Message-Id: <738964711/stork@DANDELION.LEARNING.CS.CMU.EDU> In-Reply-To: Mark Leone's netnews message of Tue, 1 Jun 1993 13:53:33 -0400 Mark, I believe that PREPnet offers such services in Pennsylvania. I don't really know much but giving them a call might be a good starting place. Stork ----------------------------------------------- David Zabowski Research Programmer, School of Computer Science Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh PA 15213 Phone: (412) 268-5298 email: stork@cs.cmu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Mark Leone Reply-to: Tim Freeman Subject: Local internet feeds Date: Tue, 01 Jun 93 16:16:32 -0400 Message-ID: <11739.738965792@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU> From: Timothy_Freeman@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU Here's the standard source for this sort of thing. In this area code you will find PREPnet and telerama. You could pay the hefty prepnet fee, or do something obscure like doing a telnet from telerama to netcom.com, and using ppp over the telnet connection. Hope you don't get too many 35 K mail messages in response to your post. :-). Tim To: tsf@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU Subject: Current PDIAL Date: Thu, 27 May 93 16:29:09 -0400 From: Timothy_Freeman@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU Path: senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!enterpoop.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!dsinc!ub!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!kaminski From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski) Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted,alt.bbs.lists,ba.internet,news.answers Subject: Public Dialup Internet Access List (PDIAL) Summary: Public access service providers offering outgoing FTP or telnet. Keywords: access bbs dialup ftp internet list personal public slip telnet Message-ID: Date: 24 Apr 93 02:18:28 GMT Expires: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 23:59:59 GMT Followup-To: poster Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California Lines: 931 Approved: news-answers-request@MIT.Edu Supersedes: <1993Feb10.015447.27684@netcom.com> Xref: senator-bedfellow.mit.edu alt.internet.access.wanted:2706 alt.bbs.lists:2757 ba.internet:897 news.answers:7842 Archive-name: pdial Last-modified: 1993/04/23 Version: PDIAL011.TXT New in PDIAL011: New provider: nwnexus (206) New points of presence: netcom (206) (503) Updated info: csn, msen; section on 800 rates ---- cut here ---- The Public Dialup Internet Access List (PDIAL) ============================================== File PDIAL011.TXT -- 23 April 1993 A list of public access service providers offering dialup access to outgoing Internet connections such as FTP and telnet. Copyright 1992-1993 Peter Kaminski. May be distributed but not sold -- see notice at the end of this document. Or, tell people to email "Send PDIAL" to "info-deli-server@netcom.com". Contents: -1- Summary: Providers With Wide Area Access -2- Summary: Area Codes For US/Canada Dialins -3- Summary: Phone Prefixes For International Dialins -4- What *Is* The Internet? -5- What The PDIAL Is -6- List of Providers -7- How People Can Get The PDIAL (This List) -8- Appendix A: Finding Public Data Network (PDN) Access Numbers -9- Copyright and Distribution Of The PDIAL; Other Notices Subject headers below are formatted so this list may be read as a digest by USENET newsreaders that support digests. Example commands: rn, "control-G" skips to next section; nn, "G%" presents as a digest. Sections may also be located by searching for the desired section number string (e.g. "-1-") from the list above. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PDIAL -1- Subject: Summary: Providers With Wide Area Access PDN delphi, holonet, michnet, portal, psi-gds, psilink, well, world 800 class, cns, crl, csn, dial-n-cerf-usa, jvnc, OARnet "PDN" means the provider is accessible through a public data network (check the listings below for which network); note that many PDNs listed offer access outside North America as well as within North America. Check with the provider or the PDN for more details. "800" means the provider is accessible via a "toll-free" US phone number. The phone company will not charge for the call, but the service provider will add a surcharge to cover the cost of the 800 service. This may be more expensive than other long-distance options. ------------------------------ From: PDIAL -2- Subject: Summary: Area Codes for US/Canada Dialins If you are not local to any of these providers, it's still likely you are able to access those providers available through a public data network (PDN). Check the section above for providers with wide area access. 201 jvnc-tiger 202 express, grebyn 203 jvnc-tiger 206 eskimo, halcyon, netcom, nwnexus 212 mindvox, panix 213 dial-n-cerf, netcom 214 metronet 215 jvnc-tiger, PREPnet 216 OARnet, wariat 301 express, grebyn 303 cns, csn 310 dial-n-cerf, netcom 312 ddsw1 313 michnet, MSen 401 anomaly, ids, jvnc-tiger 408 a2i, netcom, portal 410 express 412 PREPnet, telerama 415 crl, dial-n-cerf, netcom, portal, well 419 OARnet 503 netcom 508 anomaly, nearnet 510 dial-n-cerf, holonet, netcom 513 OARnet 514 CAM.ORG 516 jvnc-tiger 517 michnet 603 nearnet 609 jvnc-tiger 614 OARnet 616 michnet 617 delphi, nearnet, world 619 cyber, dial-n-cerf, netcom 703 express, grebyn 704 rock-concert 707 crl 708 ddsw1 713 sugar 714 dial-n-cerf 717 PREPnet 718 mindvox, panix 719 cns, csn, oldcolo 814 PREPnet 815 ddsw1 818 dial-n-cerf, netcom 906 michnet 908 jvnc-tiger 916 netcom 919 rock-concert These are area codes local to the dialups, although some prefixes in the area codes listed may not be local to the dialups. Check your phone book or with your phone company. Most providers listed here are also accessible by packet-switched data services such as PC Pursuit ($30/month for 30 hours off-peak 2400 bps access -- call 800-736-1130 for more information), traditional long distance services, and of course telnet. ------------------------------ From: PDIAL -3- Subject: Summary: Phone Prefixes for International Dialins If you are not local to any of these providers, there is still a chance you are able to access those providers available through a public data network (PDN). Check the section above for providers with wide area access, and send email to them to ask about availability. +61 2 connect.com.au +61 3 connect.com.au +44 (0)81 ibmpcug ------------------------------ From: PDIAL -4- Subject: What *Is* The Internet? The Internet is a global cooperative network of university, corporate, government, and private computers, all communicating with each other by means of something called TCP/IP (Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol). Computers directly on the Internet can exchange data quickly and easily with any other computer on the Internet to download files, send email, provide remote logins, etc. Users can download files from publicly accessible archive sites ("anonymous FTP"); login into remote computers (telnet or rlogin); chat in real-time with other users around the world (Internet Relay Chat); or use the newest information retrieval tools to find a staggering variety of information (Wide Area Information Servers, Gopher, World Wide Web). Computers directly on the Internet also exchange email directly and very quickly; email is usually delivered in seconds between Internet sites. Sometimes the Internet is confused with other related networks or types of networking. First, there are other ways to be "connected to the Internet" without being directly connected as a TCP/IP node. Some computers connect via UUCP or other means at regular intervals to an Internet site to exchange email and USENET newsgroups, for instance. Such a site can provide email (though not as quickly as a directly connected systems) and USENET access, but not Internet downloads, remote logins, etc. "email" (or "Internet email", "netmail") can be exchanged with a wide variety of systems connected directly and indirectly to the Internet. The email may travel solely over the Internet, or it may traverse other networks and systems. "USENET" is the collection of computers all over the world that exchange USENET news -- thousands of "newsgroups" (like forums, or echos) on a wide range of topics. The newsgroup articles are distributed all over the world to USENET sites that wish to carry them (sometimes over the Internet, sometimes not), where people read and respond to them. The "NSFNET" is one of the backbones of the Internet in the US. It is funded by the NSF, which restricts traffic over the NSFNET to "open research and education in and among US research and instructional institutions, plus research arms of for-profit firms when engaged in open scholarly communication and research." Your Internet provider can give you more details about acceptable use, and alternatives should you need to use the Internet in other ways. ------------------------------ From: PDIAL -5- Subject: What The PDIAL Is This is a list of Internet service providers offering public access dialins and outgoing Internet access (ftp, telnet, etc.). Most of them provide email and USENET news and other services as well. If one of these systems is not accessible to you and you need email or USENET access, but *don't* need ftp or telnet, you have many more public access systems from which to choose. Public access systems without ftp or telnet are *not* listed in this list, however. See the nixpub (alt.bbs, comp.misc) list and other BBS lists. Some of these providers offer time-shared access to a shell or BBS program on a computer connected directly to the Internet, through which you can FTP or telnet to other systems on the Internet. Usually other services are provided as well. Generally, you need only a modem and terminal or terminal emulator to access these systems. Check for "shell", "bbs", or "menu" on the "services" line. Other providers connect you directly to the Internet via SLIP or PPP when you dial in. For these you need a computer system capable of running the software to interface with the Internet, e.g., a Unix machine, PC, or Mac. Check for "SLIP", or "PPP" on the services line. While I have included all sites for which I have complete information, this list is surely incomplete. Please send any additions or corrections to "kaminski@netcom.com". ------------------------------ From: PDIAL -6- Subject: List of Providers Fees are for personal dialup accounts with outgoing Internet access; most sites have other classes of service with other rate structures as well. Most support email and netnews along with the listed services. "Long distance: provided by user" means you need to use services such as PC Pursuit, direct dial long distance or other long distance services. << a2i >> name ----------> a2i communications dialup --------> 408-293-9010 (v.32, v.32 bis) or 408-293-9020 (PEP) 'guest' area codes ----> 408 local access --> CA: Campbell, Los Altos, Los Gatos, Moutain View, San Jose, Santa Clara, Saratoga, Sunnyvale long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, feeds fees ----------> $20/month or $45/3 months or $72/6 months email ---------> info@rahul.net voice ---------> n/a ftp more info -> ftp.rahul.net:/pub/BLURB << anomaly >> name ----------> Anomaly - Rhode Island's Gateway To The Internet dialup --------> 401-331-3706 (v.32) or 401-455-0347 (PEP) area codes ----> 401, 508 local access --> RI: Providence/Seekonk Zone long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, SLIP fees ----------> Commercial: $125/6 months or $200/year; Educational: $75/6 months or $125/year email ---------> info@anomaly.sbs.risc.net voice ---------> 401-273-4669 ftp more info -> anomaly.sbs.risc.net:/anomaly.info/access.zip << CAM.ORG >> name ----------> Communications Accessibles Montreal dialup --------> 514-281-5601 (v.32 bis, HST) 514-738-3664 (PEP), 514-923-2103 (ZyXeL 19.2K) 514-466-0592 (v.32) area codes ----> 514 local access --> QC: Montreal, Laval, South-Shore, West-Island long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, feeds, SLIP, PPP, FAX gateway fees ----------> $25/month Cdn. email ---------> info@CAM.ORG voice ---------> 514-923-2102 ftp more info -> n/a << class >> name ----------> Cooperative Library Agency for Systems and Services dialup --------> contact for number; NOTE: CLASS serves libraries/information distributors only area codes ----> 800 local access --> anywhere (800) service is available long distance -> included services ------> ftp, telnet, gopher, wais, hytelnet fees ----------> $10.50/hour + $150/year for first account + $50/year each additional account + $135/year CLASS membership email ---------> class@class.org voice ---------> 800-488-4559 fax -----------> 408-453-5379 ftp more info -> n/a << cns >> name ----------> Community News Service dialup --------> 719-520-1700 id 'new', passwd 'newuser' area codes ----> 303, 719, 800 local access --> CO: Colorado Springs, Denver; continental US/800 long distance -> 800 or provided by user services ------> UNIX shell, email, ftp, telnet, irc, USENET, Clarinet, gopher fees ----------> $1/hour; $10/month minimum + $35 signup email ---------> klaus@cscns.com voice ---------> 719-579-9120 ftp more info -> n/a << connect.com.au >> name ----------> connect.com.au pty ltd dialup --------> contact for number area codes ----> +61 3, +61 2 local access --> Australia: Melbourne, Sydney long distance -> provided by user services ------> SLIP, PPP, ISDN, UUCP, ftp, telnet, NTP, FTPmail fees ----------> AUS$2000/year (1 hour/day), 10% discount for AUUG members; other billing negotiable email ---------> connect@connect.com.au voice ---------> +61 3 5282239 fax -----------> +61 3 5285887 ftp more info -> ftp.connect.com.au << crl >> name ----------> CR Laboratories Dialup Internet Access dialup --------> 415-389-UNIX area codes ----> 415, 707, 800 local access --> CA: San Francisco Bay Area; continental US/800 long distance -> 800 or provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, feeds, SLIP, WAIS fees ----------> $19.50/month + $15.00 signup email ---------> info@crl.com voice ---------> 415-381-2800 ftp more info -> n/a << csn >> name ----------> Colorado SuperNet, Inc. dialup --------> contact for number area codes ----> 303, 719, 800 local access --> CO: Alamosa, Boulder/Denver, Colorado Springs, Durango, Fort Collins, Frisco, Glenwood Springs/Aspen, Grand Junction, Greeley, Gunnison, Pueblo, Telluride; anywhere 800 service is available long distance -> provided by user or 800 services ------> shell or menu, UUCP, SLIP, 56K, ISDN, T1; ftp, telnet, irc, gopher, WAIS, domains, anonymous ftp space, email-to-fax fees ----------> $1/hour off-peak, $3/hour peak ($250 max/month) + $20 signup, $5/hr surcharge for 800 use email ---------> info@csn.org voice ---------> 303-273-3471 fax -----------> 303-273-3475 ftp more info -> csn.org:/CSN/reports/DialinInfo.txt off-peak ------> midnight to 6am << cyber >> name ----------> The Cyberspace Station dialup --------> (619) 634-1376 'guest' area codes ----> 619 local access --> CA: San Diego long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, irc fees ----------> $15/month + $10 startup or $60 for six months email ---------> help@cyber.net voice ---------> ftp more info -> n/a << ddsw1 >> name ----------> 'ddsw1', MCSNet dialup --------> (312) 248-0900 V.32bis/V.32, 248-6295 (PEP), follow prompts area codes ----> 312, 708, 815 local access --> IL: Chicago long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, feeds, email, irc, gopher fees ----------> $25/month or $65/3 months email ---------> info@ddsw1.mcs.com voice ---------> n/a ftp more info -> n/a << delphi >> name ----------> DELPHI dialup --------> (800) 365-4636 'JOINDELPHI password:INTERNETSIG' area codes ----> 617, PDN local access --> MA: Boston; KS: Kansas City long distance -> Sprintnet or Tymnet: $9/hour weekday business hours, no charge nights and weekends services ------> ftp, telnet, feeds, user groups, wire services, member conferencing fees ----------> $10/month for 4 hours or $20/month for 20 hours + $3/month for Internet services email ---------> walthowe@delphi.com voice ---------> 800-544-4005 ftp more info -> n/a << dial-n-cerf >> name ----------> DIAL n' CERF or DIAL n' CERF AYC dialup --------> contact for number area codes ----> 213, 310, 415, 510, 619, 714, 818 local access --> CA: Los Angeles, Oakland, San Diego, Irvine, Pasadena, Palo Alto long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, menu, irc, ftp, hytelnet, gopher, WAIS, WWW, terminal service, SLIP fees ----------> $5/hour ($3/hour on weekend) + $20/month + $50 startup OR $250/month flat for AYC email ---------> help@cerf.net voice ---------> 800-876-2373 or 619-455-3900 ftp more info -> nic.cerf.net:/cerfnet/dial-n-cerf/ off-peak ------> Weekend: 5pm Friday to 5pm Sunday << dial-n-cerf-usa >> name ----------> DIAL n' CERF USA dialup --------> contact for number area codes ----> 800 local access --> anywhere (800) service is available long distance -> included services ------> shell, menu, irc, ftp, hytelnet, gopher, WAIS, WWW, terminal service, SLIP fees ----------> $10/hour ($8/hour on weekend) + $20/month email ---------> help@cerf.net voice ---------> 800-876-2373 or 619-455-3900 ftp more info -> nic.cerf.net:/cerfnet/dial-n-cerf/ off-peak ------> Weekend: 5pm Friday to 5pm Sunday << eskimo >> name ----------> Eskimo North dialup --------> 206-367-3837 300-2400 bps, 206-362-6731 for 9600/14.4k, 206-742-1150 World Blazer area codes ----> 206 local access --> WA: Seattle, Everett long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet fees ----------> $10/month or $96/year email ---------> nanook@eskimo.com voice ---------> 206-367-7457 ftp more info -> n/a << express >> name ----------> Express Access - Online Communications Service dialup --------> 301-220-0462, 410-766-1855 'new' area codes ----> 202, 301, 410, 703 local access --> Northern VA, Baltimore MD, Washington DC long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, irc fees ----------> $25/month or $250/year email ---------> info@digex.com voice ---------> 301-220-2020 ftp more info -> n/a << grebyn >> name ----------> Grebyn Corporation dialup --------> 703-281-7997, 'apply' area codes ----> 202, 301, 703 local access --> Northern VA, Southern MD, Washington DC long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet fees ----------> $30/month email ---------> info@grebyn.com voice ---------> 703-281-2194 ftp more info -> n/a << halcyon >> name ----------> Halcyon dialup --------> (206) 382-6245 'new', 8N1 area codes ----> 206 local access --> Seattle, WA long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, telnet, ftp, bbs, irc, gopher, hytelnet fees ----------> $200/year, or $60/quarter + $10 start-up email ---------> info@halcyon.com voice ---------> 206-955-1050 ftp more info -> halcyon.com:~/pub/waffle/info << holonet >> name ----------> HoloNet dialup --------> (510) 704-1058 area codes ----> 510, PDN local access --> Berkeley, CA long distance -> [per hour, off-peak/peak] Bay Area: $0.50/$0.95; PSINet A: $0.95/$1.95; PSINet B: $2.50/$6.00; Tymnet: $3.75/$7.50 services ------> ftp, telnet, irc, games fees ----------> $2/hour off-peak, $4/hour peak; $6/month or $60/year minimum email ---------> info@holonet.net voice ---------> 510-704-0160 ftp more info -> holonet.net:/info/ off-peak ------> 5pm to 8am + weekends and holidays << ibmpcug >> name ----------> UK PC User Group dialup --------> +44 (0)81 863 6646 area codes ----> +44 (0)81 local access --> London, England long distance -> provided by user services ------> ftp, telnet, bbs, irc, feeds fees ----------> GBPounds 15.50/month or 160/year + 10 startup (no time charges) email ---------> info@ibmpcug.co.uk voice ---------> +44 (0)81 863 6646 ftp more info -> n/a << ids >> name ----------> The IDS World Network dialup --------> (401) 884-9002, (401) 785-1067 area codes ----> 401 local access --> East Greenwich, RI; northern RI long distance -> provided by user services ------> ftp, telnet, SLIP, feeds, bbs fees ----------> $10/month or $50/half year or $100/year email ---------> sysadmin@ids.net voice ---------> 401-884-7856 ftp more info -> ids.net:/ids.net << jvnc-tiger >> name ----------> The John von Neumann Computer Network - Dialin' Tiger dialup --------> contact for number area codes ----> 201, 203, 215, 401, 516, 609, 908 local access --> Princeton & Newark, NJ; Philadelphia, PA; Garden City, NY; Bridgeport, New Haven, & Storrs, CT; Providence, RI long distance -> provided by user services ------> ftp, telnet, SLIP, feeds, optional shell fees ----------> $99/month + $99 startup (PC or Mac SLIP software included -- shell is additional $21/month) email ---------> info@jvnc.net voice ---------> (800) 35-TIGER, (609) 258-2400 ftp more info -> n/a << jvnc >> name ----------> The John von Neumann Computer Network - Tiger Mail & Dialin' Terminal dialup --------> contact for number area codes ----> 800 local access --> anywhere (800) service is available long distance -> included services ------> email and newsfeed or terminal access only fees ----------> $19/month + $10/hour + $36 startup (PC or Mac SLIP software included) email ---------> info@jvnc.net voice ---------> (800) 35-TIGER, (609) 258-2400 ftp more info -> n/a << metronet >> name ----------> Texas Metronet dialup --------> 214-705-2902 9600bps, 214-705-2917 2400bps, 'info/info' or 'signup/signup' area codes ----> 214 local access --> TX: Dallas long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, feeds, SLIP fees ----------> $10-$50/month + $20-$30 startup email ---------> srl@metronet.com / 73157.1323@compuserve.com / GEnie:S.LINEBARG voice ---------> 214-401-2800 fax -----------> 214-401-2802 ( 8am-5pm CST weekdays ) ftp more info -> n/a << michnet >> name ----------> Merit Network, Inc. -- MichNet project dialup --------> contact for number or telnet hermes.merit.edu and type 'help' at 'Which host?' prompt area codes ----> 313, 517, 616, 906, PDN local access --> Michigan; Boston, MA; Wash. DC long distance -> SprintNet, Autonet, Michigan Bell packet-switch network services ------> telnet, SLIP, PPP, outbound SprintNet, Autonet and Ann Arbor dialout fees ----------> $35/month + $40 signup ($10/month for K-12 & libraries in Michigan) email ---------> info@merit.edu voice ---------> 313-764-9430 ftp more info -> nic.merit.edu:/ << mindvox >> name ----------> MindVOX dialup --------> (212) 988-5030 'mindvox' 'guest' area codes ----> 212, 718 local access --> NY: New York City long distance -> provided by user services ------> conferencing system ftp, telnet, irc, gopher, hytelnet, Archives, BBS fees ----------> $15-$20/month. No startup. email ---------> info@phantom.com voice ---------> 212-988-5987 ftp more info -> n/a << MSen >> name ----------> MSen dialup --------> contact for number area codes ----> 313 local access --> All of SE Michigan (313) long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, WAIS, gopher, telnet, ftp, SLIP, PPP, IRC, WWW, Picospan BBS, ftp space fees ----------> $20/month; $20 startup email ---------> info@msen.com voice ---------> 313-998-4562 fax -----------> 313-998-4563 ftp more info -> ftp.msen.com:/pub/vendor/msen << nearnet >> name ----------> NEARnet dialup --------> contact for numbers area codes ----> 508, 603, 617 local access --> Boston, MA; Nashua, NH long distance -> provided by user services ------> SLIP, email, feeds, dns fees ----------> $250/month email ---------> nearnet-join@nic.near.net voice ---------> 617-873-8730 ftp more info -> nic.near.net:/docs << netcom >> name ----------> Netcom Online Communication Services dialup --------> (206) 527-5992, (310) 842-8835, (408) 241-9760, (408) 459-9851, (415) 328-9940, (415) 985-5650, (503) 626-6833, (510) 426-6610, (510) 865-9004, (619) 234-0524, (916) 965-1371 area codes ----> 206, 213, 310, 408, 415, 503, 510, 619, 818, 916 local access --> CA: SF Bay Area (5 POPs), Sacramento, Santa Cruz, Los Angeles, San Diego; OR: Portland; WA: Seattle (May 1) long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, irc, WAIS, gopher, SLIP/PPP, ftp space, feeds, dns fees ----------> $19.50/month + $15.00 signup email ---------> info@netcom.com voice ---------> 408-554-UNIX ftp more info -> n/a << nwnexus >> name ----------> Northwest Nexus Inc. dialup --------> contact for numbers area codes ----> 206 local access --> WA: Seattle long distance -> provided by user services ------> UUCP, SLIP, PPP, feeds, dns fees ----------> $10/month for first 10 hours + $3/hr; $20 start-up email ---------> info@nwnexus.wa.com voice ---------> 206-455-3505 ftp more info -> nwnexus.wa.com:/NWNEXUS.info.txt << OARnet >> name ----------> OARnet dialup --------> send e-mail to nic@oar.net area codes ----> 614, 513, 419, 216, 800 local access --> OH: Columbus, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Dayton long distance -> 800 service services ------> email, ftp, telnet, newsfeed fees ----------> $4.00/hr to $330.00/month; call for code or send email email ---------> nic@oar.net voice ---------> 614-292-8100 fax -----------> 614-292-7168 ftp more info -> n/a << oldcolo >> name ----------> Old Colorado City Communications dialup --------> 719-632-4111 'newuser' area codes ----> 719 local access --> CO: Colorado Springs long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, AKCS, home of the NAPLPS conference fees ----------> $25/month email ---------> dave@oldcolo.com / thefox@oldcolo.com voice ---------> 719-632-4848, 719-593-7575 or 719-636-2040 fax -----------> 719-593-7521 ftp more info -> n/a << panix >> name ----------> PANIX Public Accss Unix dialup --------> (212) 787-3100 'newuser' area codes ----> 212, 718 local access --> New York City, NY long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, gopher, wais, irc, feeds fees ----------> $19/month or $208/year + $40 signup email ---------> alexis@panix.com, jsb@panix.com voice ---------> 212-877-4854 [Alexis Rosen], 212-691-1526 [Jim Baumbach] ftp more info -> n/a << portal >> name ----------> The Portal System dialup --------> (408) 973-8091 high-speed, (408) 725-0561 2400bps; 'info' area codes ----> 408, 415, PDN local access --> CA: Cupertino, Mountain View, San Jose long distance -> SprintNet: $2.50/hour off-peak, $7-$10/hour peak; Tymnet: $2.50/hour off-peak, $13/hour peak services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, IRC, UUCP, feeds, bbs fees ----------> $19.95/month + $19.95 signup email ---------> cs@cup.portal.com, info@portal.com voice ---------> 408-973-9111 ftp more info -> n/a off-peak ------> 6pm to 7am + weekends and holidays << PREPnet >> name ----------> PREPnet dialup --------> contact for numbers area codes ----> 215, 412, 717, 814 local access --> PA: Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Harrisburg long distance -> provided by user services ------> SLIP, terminal service, telnet, ftp fees ----------> $1,000/year membership. Equipment-$325 onetime fee plus $40/month email ---------> prepnet@cmu.edu voice ---------> 412-268-7870 fax -----------> 412-268-7875 ftp more info -> ftp.prepnet.com:/prepnet/general/ << psi-gds >> name ----------> PSI's Global Dialup Service (GDS) dialup --------> send email to numbers-info@psi.com area codes ----> PDN local access --> long distance -> included services ------> telnet, rlogin fees ----------> $39/month + $39 startup email ---------> all-info@psi.com, gds-info@psi.com voice ---------> 703-620-6651 fax -----------> 703-620-4586 ftp more info -> ftp.psi.com:/ << psilink >> name ----------> PSILink - Personal Internet Access dialup --------> send email to numbers-info@psi.com area codes ----> PDN local access --> long distance -> included services ------> email and newsfeed, ftp fees ----------> $29/month + $19 startup (PSILink software included) email ---------> all-info@psi.com, psilink-info@psi.com voice ---------> 703-620-6651 fax -----------> 703-620-4586 ftp more info -> ftp.psi.com:/ << rock-concert >> name ----------> Rock CONCERT Net dialup --------> contact for number area codes ----> 704, 919 local access --> NC: Asheville, Chapel Hill, Charlotte, Durham, Greensboro, Greenville, Raleigh, Winston-Salem, Research Triangle Park long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, irc, gopher, wais, feeds, SLIP fees ----------> $30/month + $50 signup email ---------> info@concert.net voice ---------> 919-248-1999 ftp more info -> ftp.concert.net << sugar >> name ----------> NeoSoft's Sugar Land Unix dialup --------> 713-684-5900 area codes ----> 713 local access --> TX: Houston metro area long distance -> provided by user services ------> bbs, shell, ftp, telnet, irc, feeds, UUCP fees ----------> $29.95/month email ---------> info@NeoSoft.com voice ---------> 713-438-4964 ftp more info -> n/a << telerama >> name ----------> Telerama BBS dialup --------> (412) 481-5302 'new' area codes ----> 412 local access --> PA: Pittsburgh long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, feeds, menu, bbs fees ----------> $6/month for 10 hours, 60 cents/hour thereafter. No startup. email ---------> info@telerama.pgh.pa.us voice ---------> 412-481-3505 ftp more info -> telerama.pgh.pa.us:/info/general.info << well >> name ----------> The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link dialup --------> (415) 332-6106 'newuser' area codes ----> 415, PDN local access --> Sausalito, CA long distance -> Compuserve Packet Network: $4/hour services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, bbs fees ----------> $15.00/month + $2.00/hr email ---------> info@well.sf.ca.us voice ---------> 415-332-4335 ftp more info -> n/a << wariat >> name ----------> APK- Public Access UNI* Site dialup --------> 216-481-9436 (2400), 216-481-9425 (V.32bis, SuperPEP) area codes ----> 216 local access --> OH: Cleveland long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, irc, gopher, feeds, BBS(Uniboard1.10) fees ----------> $35/monthly, $200/6months, $20 signup email ---------> zbig@wariat.org voice ---------> 216-481-9428 ftp more info -> n/a << world >> name ----------> The World dialup --------> (617) 739-9753 'new' area codes ----> 617, PDN local access --> Boston, MA long distance -> Compuserve Packet Network: $5.60/hour services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, irc fees ----------> $5.00/month + $2.00/hr or $20/month for 20 hours email ---------> office@world.std.com voice ---------> 617-739-0202 ftp more info -> world.std.com:/world-info/basic.info ------------------------------ From: PDIAL -7- Subject: How People Can Get The PDIAL (This List) USENET: The PDIAL list is posted semi-regularly to alt.internet.access.wanted, alt.bbs.lists, ba.internet, and news.answers. EMAIL: From the Information Deli archive server (most up-to-date): To receive the current edition of the PDIAL, send email with the subject "Send PDIAL" to "info-deli-server@netcom.com". To subscribe to a list which receives future editions as they are published, send email with the subject "Subscribe PDIAL" to "info-deli-server@netcom.com". To receive both the most recent and future editions, send both messages. From the news.answers FAQ archive: Send email with the message "send usenet/news.answers/pdial" to "mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu". For help, send the message "help" to "mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu". FTP ARCHIVE SITES (PDIAL and other useful information): Information Deli FTP site: ftp.netcom.com:/pub/info-deli/public-access/pdial [192.100.81.100] As part of a collection of public access lists: VFL.Paramax.COM:/pub/pubnet/pdial [128.126.220.104] (used to be GVL.Unisys.COM) From the Merit Network Information Center Internet information archive: nic.merit.edu:/internet/pdial [35.1.1.48] As part of an Internet access compilation file: liberty.uc.wlu.edu:/pub/lawlib/internet.access [137.113.10.35] As part of the news.answers FAQ archive: pit-manager.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/news.answers/pdial [18.172.1.27] ------------------------------ From: PDIAL -8- Subject: Appendix A: Finding Public Data Network (PDN) Access Numbers Here's how to get local access numbers or information for the various PDNs. Generally, you can contact the site you're calling for help, too. IMPORTANT NOTE: Unless noted otherwise, set your modem to 7E1 (7 data bits, even parity, 1 stop bit) when dialing to look up access numbers by modem as instructed below. BT Tymnet --------- For information and local access numbers, call 800-937-2862 (voice) or 215-666-1770 (voice). To look up access numbers by modem, dial a local access number, hit and 'a', and enter "information" at the "please log in:" prompt. Compuserve Packet Network ------------------------- You do NOT have to be a Compuserve member to use the CPN to dial other services. For information and local access numbers, call 800-848-8199 (voice). To look up access numbers by modem, dial a local access number, hit and enter "PHONES" at the "Host Name:" prompt. PC Pursuit (SprintNet) ---------------------- PC Pursuit may be used to call a modem in any of 44 major metro areas in the US from local access numbers around the country. As such, it can be used to access most of the providers listed in the PDIAL (those with no other PDN access or even those which are accessible by other PDNs). For information and registration, call 800-736-1130 (voice) or 800-877-2006 (data). More information is also available on the PC Pursuit support BBS (see below). To look up access numbers by modem, dial 800-546-1000, hit at 1200 baud or '@' at 2400 baud. Enter "MAIL" at the "@" prompt, then "PHONES" at the "USER NAME:" prompt, and "PHONES" at the "PASSWORD:" prompt. The PC Pursuit support BBS provides a great deal of information about PC Pursuit, including rates, terms and conditions, outdial numbers, etc. To access the PC Pursuit support BBS, dial a local access number and hit at 1200 baud or '@' at 2400 baud. Change modem parameters to 8N1, and enter "C PURSUIT" at the "@" prompt. PSINet ------ For information, call 800-82PSI82 (voice) or 703-620-6651 (voice), or send email to "all-info@psi.com". For a list of local access numbers send email to "numbers-info@psi.com". ------------------------------ From: PDIAL -9- Subject: Copyright and Distribution Of The PDIAL; Other Notices This Document Copyright 1992-1993 Peter Kaminski. This document may be distributed in its entirety by any means, and a fee may be charged for its distribution, but it may not be sold without prior permission. I make no representations about the suitability or accuracy of this document for any purpose. It is provided "as is" without express or implied warranty. UPDATES AND CORRECTIONS: Send new or updated entries in the format used here to "kaminski@netcom.com". Also include an email address to which I can send requests for more information. -- Peter Kaminski | Internet: kaminski@netcom.com (preferred) The Information Deli | CIS: 71053,2155 "connecting people" | ------------------------------ End of PDIAL ************ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 01:02-EDT From: Tom.Lane@G.GP.CS.CMU.EDU To: Mark Leone Subject: Re: Local Internet feeds? Message-Id: <738997328/tgl@G.GP.CS.CMU.EDU> In-Reply-To: Mark Leone's netnews message of Tue, 1 Jun 1993 13:53:33 -0400 I just looked into that. Here's the executive summary... tell her to contact me if she needs more info. Note in particular that she may want a higher level of service than I was looking for. regards, tom lane ----------- To: prp@SEI.CMU.EDU, Kristen McQuillin , Sean.Levy@CS.CMU.EDU, tgp@SEI.CMU.EDU, Karl_Kleinpaste@GODIVA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU Subject: Summary: Local Internet service providers Date: Wed, 19 May 93 01:04:57 -0400 Message-ID: <22509.737787897@G.GP.CS.CMU.EDU> From: Tom_Lane@G.GP.CS.CMU.EDU Thank you all for your help in my search for Pittsburgh internet access. Some of you expressed interest in my results, so here they are. I eventually concluded that I couldn't justify the cost and sysadmin hassles of having my own Internet connection, so I will be signing up as a user of telerama.pgh.pa.us, a small but well-regarded public-access Unix system. But here's what I found out while investigating connections. I found three major providers of Internet connectivity: Alternet (UUNET Communications), PSI (Performance Systems International), and PREPnet. The first two are national commercial outfits while PREPnet is noncommercial (apparently run by Penna. universities). All three deal in every size of hookup up to & including T1 (1.5 Mbps) links. The lowest level of service, suitable for a personal or small company system, is pretty similar for all three. Except as noted below, you get: * v.32bis (14.4K bps) modems; the service provider dedicates a modem to your exclusive use, so while the service is dialup, you don't have to contend for use of a shared modem. Local call to the service provider. * Dialup SLIP or PPP software interface. (PPP is newer, reputedly slightly faster and much more robust.) * Your own domain-style host name and IP address for a single host. You get to choose your domain name. * Full access to all TCP/IP services including ftp, telnet, etc. You can also support incoming ftp/telnet/etc (only when you are dialed in, of course). * Service provider handles mail forwarding and will queue mail for you when your machine is offline. (PREPnet may not do this?) * UUNET and PSI include full NNTP access to their Usenet hubs (uunet and uupsi respectively), from which you can feed any groups you want, or just use an interactive NNTP-based news reader. With PREPnet you still have to find someone who will give you a news feed. * In all cases, the deal is for unlimited access from a single host machine; doesn't matter how many users on that machine, how many telnet sessions you fire up at once, etc. (But if you have a private LAN and want multiple machines to access the net, you have to go to higher levels of service which I didn't investigate.) You must provide a modem for your end, a phone line for same, and suitable software on your Unix host machine. (UUNET and PSI will be glad to sell you a suitable modem and even arrange a phone line for you, but their prices didn't look especially competitive.) PREPnet is definitely the cheapest, although not by much when you add in their extra fees for "commercial" access privileges. (Unless you are prepared to certify that all your net usage qualifies as educational, you'd better spring for commercial access.) Assuming I've found out about all the fees -- not at all clear, they kept mentioning new ones --- the total damage is $1805/year or about $150/month, plus a $325 installation fee. (Don't know whether PA sales tax applies.) Much of this is payable as an annual lump sum, not a manageable monthly bill. Another sneaky little fact is that you must promise to pay Ma Bell's cut ($40/month) for three years even if you cancel the service sooner --- Ma wants to be sure you've paid for that modem she bought :-). PREPnet also offers little or no tech support and hand-holding... they expect you to be technically competent. SLIP is notoriously difficult to get configured right, so lack of tech support is a definite minus (and as a PhD in CS, I consider myself technically competent :-)). For more info: FTP to nic.prep.net and look in directory /general, or contact twb+@andrew.cmu.edu. Alternet (UUNET) offers exactly the above-described service for $250/month plus a $1500 startup charge (OUCH). This would be the service of choice were it not for that outrageous startup fee. I have been told that Alternet offers friendlier service and better tech support than PSI, although in my initial dealings with them I didn't see much difference. For more info: FTP to ftp.uu.net and look in directory /uunet-info, or send your postal address to info@uunet.uu.net for a printed information package. PSI's bottom-rung service is a bit less than described above: you get shared usage of just a v.32 (9600 bps) modem, with your own domain name but no permanently assigned IP number (they assign a temporary IP number each time you dial in). The upshot of this fact is that you can't support incoming FTP/telnet: your domain name is only good for mail. (For my purposes this wasn't a serious drawback, maybe even a small advantage security-wise.) Another small nit is that you can't use PPP, only SLIP. The price is right though: $175/month, with 10% discount if you pay for a year in advance, and *no* startup fee. The only real fly in the ointment is that PSI has only four shared lines supporting this service in their Pittsburgh office, so you might hit busy signals rather often. PSI's next higher grade of service appears to be fully equivalent to Alternet's (all features as given at top), for $250/month, again no startup fee and a yearly discount. The trouble with this one is that they don't yet offer it in the Pittsburgh area! Grumble. For more info: send e-mail to the auto-reply daemon at all-info@psi.com, or mail to info@psi.com to speak to a human. Read the daemon's files first though, the human will just refer you to them if you haven't done your homework... Note: PSI offers MANY different services, the ones described here are HOST-DIAL and HOST-DIAL+. You can get 14.4K in Pittsburgh now with what's called LAN-DIAL+, but it's more expensive and is targeted to companies that already have an internal LAN. It's worth noting that both PSI and UUNET have even less restrictive access policies than PREPnet's commercial option, since they are not dependent on NSFnet. Of course, if you are communicating with someone who *is* on NSFnet then you should still respect NSF restrictions, but at least you can read alt.binaries.pictures.erotica from uunet or uupsi with a totally clean conscience :-) So there you have it: they all have pluses and minuses. If I could raise the cash I would probably go for PSI's $175/month deal (better tech support and a built-in news feed are worth a few bucks a month over PREPnet). Those of you who are already set up on PREPnet probably won't feel any desire to switch, particularly if you haven't been there 3 years yet... I'd be interested to hear any corrections or additions to the above info. regards, tom lane ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: mleone+@cs.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Local Internet feeds? Newsgroups: cmu.cs.general In-Reply-To: Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Cc: Bcc: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 93 6:28:21 EDT From: parker@PARKER.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU Sender: parker@PARKER.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU Mark, If the company is local, one could contact PREPnet at prepnet+@andrew.cmu.edu or 412-268-7870. Also, ftp.prepnet.com contains much information. Paul