Return-Path: Received: from C.CS.CMU.EDU by A.CS.CMU.EDU; 18 Jun 86 10:21:08 EDT Received: ID ; Wed 18 Jun 86 10:20:20-EDT Date: Wed 18 Jun 86 10:20:11-EDT From: Mitch Subject: summary of undergrad computing To: bovik@A.CS.CMU.EDU cc: mbl@C.CS.CMU.EDU Message-ID: <12215804847.31.MBL@C.CS.CMU.EDU> I have finally compiled the complete list. Thanks to all who replied. - Mitch P.S. I'm sorry to post such a long message, but plenty of people expressed an interest in this info and I don't know how to make the data available on BOVIK. If someone explains how this is done, I could store the actual (much longer) messages I received. P.S. If you sent me mail, but do not wish for it to be made publicly accessible since I did not mention that I would do so, then just send me a short note to that affect. ------ UNDERGRADUATE COMPUTER ACCOUNTS ------------------------------- College/University Systems Account Fee General Accounts ------------------ ------- ----------- ------------------- Brown University 2 IBM 370's None CS VAX 780 Coursework Clusters of Apollos Coursework [note info is 5 years old] Clarkson University IBM 4341 Need advisor's signature for non course accounts. VAX 780 None Graphics Use only Various VAX & PDP systems for departmental work '83 All incoming freshman required to purchase PC [note: respondee says clarkson was first with requirement because of date of the semester commencement.] Columbia University Dec 20's $35 per 'unit' General accounts Typically need 3 for a major programming course. Cornell University IBM 4341 None General Accounts plus Intro courses. 2 VAX 750's None Upper level CS courses MAC clusters First two intro courses Dartmouth University 2 Large Honeywell mainframes. 1 VAX/Unix 1 VAX/VMS 1 IBM/CMS (unknown size) ==> All referred to as the DCTS (Dartmouth College Time Sharing) 'DCTS' None Accounts given at matriculation. Also to university employees. [Presently has unlimited access (no account funny money)] MAC clusters & freshman encouraged to purchase MAC Florida Inst. Tech. VAX 780 None For Comp Sci Courses PDP-11 None For intro to BASIC Lehigh University DEC 20 None Any good reason for request Cyber "" "" [Administration trying to phase out 20 because of maintenance costs.] Lisbon (Instituto Superior Tecnico) Portugal University wide network of VAXEN (to DECnet) Miami University Hewlett Packard No individual Accounts. (Ohio!!!) '3000 minicomputer' Each couse has account that all students can access. Indivudal files have 'lockwords'. PC clusters (IBM, Apple, TRS-80, & ?MAC?) MIT 'Project Athena' VAX Network & ("Similar to Andrew") TOPS-20 No Fees except 5 cents for X9700 printouts. $50 funny money request accounts. Maybe still use DEC 2060 also. Moravian College PDP 11/70 None Only for courses Oxford University Undergraduates not given access to mainframes Micros with BASIC hardwired in for intro to computers. Queens College 2 IBM 4341's None General Accounts (Canada) 2 IBM 3081's 2 VAX 780's Also departmental VAX systems: CS ==> 2 780's & 3 750's Stanford University 3 DEC-20's (and buying more ??) No other information given. Syracuse University 1 TOPS-10 ==> replaced by VAXEN 2 IBM 4341's None General Accounts Technion 1 VAX 780 Undergrad coursework (Israel Institute of 1 IBM 3081 Undergrad coursework Technology) Cluster of DEC rainbow's Intro couse Various PDP-11, PCs,Apples & Specialized courses Workstations (Applicon,HP, like VLSI design, Mentor) controls, DSP, etc... Also: 1 IBM 4341 (administration) 1 VAX 750 grad research 1 VAX 780 grad research & faculty UMASS (Amherst) Cyber 175 Cyber (730 ?) None Only for cousework Slow ==> System used by Faculty and departments also. University of Michigan Amdahl 470 v8 None Account for each class [O(IBM mainframe)] [Operating System is MTS (Michigan Terminal System)] University of Nebraska 2 VAX 780's None Teacher requests accounts for class Cluster of 15 0r 20 DEC rainbows USC 2 DEC-20 REAL MONEY Most undergrad courses VAX 750s Engineering School has its own comp center: Data General DEC 10 (Prime ?) [REAL MONEY = %10 of the real cost. I received two USC replies one estimated $100 per semester, the other estimated $250 to $500] [USC hacker term: "Vampirism" = discover unused account, log in, and suck the money out.] Virginia Inst. Tech. IBM 3083 None Few undergrad accounts Mostly administrative Two Vax 785's None For Math and CS courses Vast PC network soon to exist using IBM token ring net Public PC clusters plus ... ~5000 Engineers required to buy IBM or compatible ~150 Comp Sci. majors required to buy a Unix micro (approx $3k for 10 Mbyte box with software) (MAC/XL running System V last year) [note: First school to require purchase of computer.] [note2: ^ This report has been contested by the Clarkson respondee] Yale University run by CS dept: DEC 20 VAX 750 (Berklix) None Account for each class 20 Apollo Workstations connected to CHAOSnet run by comp center: "random IBM mainframes" 6 VAX 750's [Students at Yale prefer Z & ice over emacs] [Respondee claims Yale undergrad facilities surpass CMU grad facilities] -------