Return-Path: Received: from hampster.boltz.cs.cmu.edu by K.GP.CS.CMU.EDU id aa02847; 13 Dec 91 12:50:32 EST Received: from hampster.boltz.cs.cmu.edu by HAMPSTER.BOLTZ.CS.CMU.EDU id aa02837; 13 Dec 91 12:50:13 EST To: bovik@CS.CMU.EDU Subject: info about how to email to other nets Date: Fri, 13 Dec 91 12:49:49 EST Message-ID: <2835.692646589@HAMPSTER.BOLTZ.CS.CMU.EDU> From: Arthur_E_McNair@HAMPSTER.BOLTZ.CS.CMU.EDU ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: <@cs.cmu.edu:weh%SEI.CMU.EDU@gp.sei.cmu.edu> Received: from cs.cmu.edu by SPEECH2.CS.CMU.EDU id aa07268; 10 Jul 91 15:20:23 EDT Received: from gp.sei.cmu.edu by CS.CMU.EDU id aa13165; 10 Jul 91 15:19:41 EDT Received: by gp.sei.cmu.edu (5.64/2.5) id AA01135; Wed, 10 Jul 91 15:19:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 91 15:19:26 -0400 From: weh@SEI.CMU.EDU Message-Id: <9107101919.AA01135@gp.sei.cmu.edu> To: arthurem+@CS.CMU.EDU Subject: Re: CompuServe, Prodigy, etc. Network mail question Newsgroups: cmu.cs.general In-Reply-To: <1991Jul10.181933.5153@cs.cmu.edu> Organization: Software Engineering Institute, Pittsburgh, PA Cc: - ---------- Routing Addresses Here's a summary of relevant email addresses: applelink userid@applelink.apple.com attmail userid@attmail.com bitnet user%machine.bitnet@vma.cc.cmu.edu compuserve xxxxx.yyyy@compuserve.com csnet user%machine.csnet@relay.cs.net decnet user%machine.dec@decwrl.dec.com genie no gateway to internet mcimail userid@mcimail.com portal userid@cup.portal.com prodigy no gateway to internet sprintmail userid@compmail.com uunet/uucp user%machine.uucp@uunet.uu.net [Additional gateways I have heard of: BIX to BIX: userid@dcibix.das.net from BIX: ? Connect to Connect: ? from Connect: \userid@host\@DASNET Easynet to Easynet: ? from Easynet: nm%DECWRL::\userid@host\ Envoy to Envoy: ? from Envoy: [RFC-822=\userid(a)host\]INTERNET/TELEMAIL/US Fidonet to Fidonet: First.Last@p.f.n.z.fidonet.org from Fido: ? Geonet to Geonet: ? from Geonet: send to "DASNET" subject: "userid@host!subject" NASA Mail to: ? from: To: POSTMAN First line of body: To: "userid@host" SI Mail to: ? from: M_MAILNOW::M_INTERNET::\userid@host\ SPAN to: ? from: AMES::\userid@host\ --HQB] ---------- CompuServe (14 Jul 89) CompuServe is email-accessible. The machinery to do so has actually been in place for some months, but there has been an arbitrarily large number of reasons why official, live status has not yet been granted to the gateway. Technically, this is true, even as I write this. To reach a CompuServe subscriber account of the form 7xxxx,yyy swap the `,' for `.' and add @compuserve.com: 7xxxx.yyy@compuserve.com To reach employees of CompuServe, they have somewhat more typical usernames inside the csi.compuserve.com subdomain. CompuServe subscribers can reach people Out Here from CompuServe's mailers via the specification: >internet:user@host.domain The use of ">stuff:" is CompuServe's general gateway-access syntax; it does not appear in anything on the Internet side of the gateway, but rather RFC-compliant headers are generated. Internet nameservers for compuserve.com are alive and responding, and pathalias data for a (fictitious) host "compuserve" has been published since last fall. Internet mailers must support MX records in order to reach CompuServe. The MX host is saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu, a.k.a. osu-cis. I understand that there is some magic that must be performed on BITNET VM hosts in order to get there due to lack of MX support; details from other BITNETters, not me. [That's 7xxxx.yyy%compuserve.com@saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu - Ed.] Saqqara speaks with CompuServe approximately half-hourly, though this will probably change as load is observed. There are NO charges accrued to ANYBODY on either side of the gateway for its use. CompuServe subscribers are charged their usual hourly rates, but there is no gateway-specific surcharge. Questions about the gateway => karl@cis.ohio-state.edu Questions about CompuServe => postmaster@compuserve.com Cheers, - --Karl Kleinpaste Personification of the Mailer Daemon Ohio State Computer Science Instigator of the Internet/CompuServe mail gateway no longer acting "postmaster@compuserve.com" =======//////// ********* * *** * Communicating with CompuServe * *** * * **** * by Christopher Condon * ***** * * ****** * Yale University * *** *** * * *** **** CONDON@YALEVM ********* (Reprinted from Netmonth Magazine) [All trademarks of CompuServe are acknowledged] One of the questions asked on BITNET and the Internet for the past few years has been "How do I send mail to CompuServe?" For a very long time the answers have looked like this: "I don't think you can." "Forget it, there's no gateway." "The question HOW presumes that one CAN. You CANNOT." "Stop asking that question!" "Not today, maybe someday." Well, "someday" has finally arrived. Someone asked the question recently, and lo, there was a positive answer. Actually, there were several. I have combined the responses of Murph Sewall, Thomas Ho, Bill McGown, James Gallagher and others into what is hopefully a coherent explanation. I was able to test this out with my own CompuServe userid and it does, in fact, work. * Sending mail to a user in CompuServe: Userids on the CompuServe network have a numeric format: two numbers separated by a comma. For example, my id is 72317,2337. This comma, of course, would confuse mail systems everywhere else, so a period is substituted instead. Therefore, if someone tells you that they have a userid of 72115,2222 you would address your mail to: 72115.2222@COMPUSERVE.COM + | +--- Note the period, folks! Simple, right? Well, your mail system might not know the location of the gateway to CompuServe, in which case you have to name it explicitly. In this case, you would type the address like so: 72115.2222%COMPUSERVE.COM@SAQQARA.CIS.OHIO-STATE.EDU From the CompuServe side, you would use their EasyPlex mail system to send mail to someone in BITNET or the Internet. For example, to send me mail at my BITNET id, you would address it to: INET:CONDON%YALEVM.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Or to one of my Internet ids: INET:CONDON@VENUS.YCC.YALE.EDU Now, if you have a BITNET to Internet userid, this is a silly thing to do, since your connect time to CompuServe costs you money. However, you can use this information to let people on CompuServe contact YOU. CompuServe Customer Service says that there is no charge to either receive or send a message to the Internet or BITNET. =======//////// - ---------- MCI Mail >From: "David K. Ely" Subject: Re: Looking for admin contact for mcimail.com The Internet<->MCI Mail Gateway is an experimental mail system being developed by the Corporation for National Research Initiatives (NRI), a non-profit research organization. NRI is currently researching interconnecting various mail services. Currently, there is no charge for sending mail from the Internet to MCI Mail. In order to send mail to users on MCI Mail, use one of the following addresses: accountname@mcimail.com -or- mci_id@mcimail.com -or- full_user_name@mcimail.com For instance, I have a mailbox on MCI Mail. You could send mail to me via either dely@mcimail.com or 379-3286@mcimail.com or David_Ely@mcimail.com. Users on MCI Mail can also send messages to the Internet. At the "Command:" prompt, type "create . Then the user performs the following: (NOTE the "TO:", "EMS:" and "MBX:" strings are prompts provided by MCI Mail. Command: create TO: David K. Ely (EMS) EMS: INTERNET MBX: dely@NRI.Reston.VA.US This address is translated to: "David K. Ely" by the Gateway. Mail sent from MCI Mail to the Internet is charged by MCI Mail. One final note: Feel free to use the gateway as often as you'd like, but be forewarned: The gateway is still not considered fully operational; sometimes mail will be delayed (usually less than 24 hours.) If you have any more questions, or if I can be of further assistance, please feel free to email me. David K. Ely Manager, EMS Systems Corporation for National Research Initiatives (NRI) Phone: US: (703) 620-8990 Internet Mail: dely@NRI.Reston.VA.US MCI Mail: dely - ---------- - ---------- Sprint Mail Subj: Interconnection between SprintMail and INTERNET (2) Attached below is a copy of News Release of SprintMail's connection with INTERNET which I received a few days ago. SprintMail users: For more information on how to connect to INTERNET, please call SprintMail's customer service number (1-800-336-0437 or 1-800-835-3638) 24 hours a day (or Ms. Maripat Goggin [SprintMail ID: M.Goggin] at 703-689-6808). (3) According to Ms. Goggin, how to send message to INTERNET from SprintMail and to SprintMail from INTERNET are as follows; (a) Firstly, you have to have the INTERNET user's specific name or ID number to complete the address, as indicated this variable in the following addressing example by using the pound (#) sign: (b) To address to INTERNET from SprintMail, SprintMail user must type in the TO: field, as: (C:USA,A:TELEMAIL,P:INTERNET,"ID":<#######>) or (site: INTERNET,ID: <###########>) (c) To address from INTERNET to SprintMail, INTERNET user must type in the TO: field, as: /C=country/ADMD=system/O=organization/PN=%%%%%%%/@SPRINT.COM NOTE: Here (%) is SprintMail ID. (4) I have tested to send a message from my SprintMail address to my INTERNET address of "utsumi@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu", and found the followings; I had to type in the TO: field of SprintMail as: (C:USA,A:TELEMAIL,P:INTERNET,"ID":) or (site: internet, id: ) NOTE: (a) I had to convert "@" sign in my INTERNET address to "(a)". (b) Overall ( ) are included. (c) My messages with "utsumi(a)cunixf.BITNET" were evaporated -- or at least not arrived even after several days, -- implying that a complete INTERNET (instead of BITNET) address is necessary. (As you may know, INTERNET includes BITNET and many other networks -- total interconnected computers are estimated at 1,800 in almost 40 countries.) (5) I have tested to send a message from my INTERNET address of "utsumi@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu" to my SprintMail address, and found the followings; I had to type in the TO: field of INTERNET mailing system at Columbia University as: "/C=US/ADMD=TELEMAIL/O=ASSOCIATES.TNET/PN=TUTSUMI/"@SPRINT.COM NOTE: (a) C=USA did not work. (b) I had to put the quotes around the address on the left of the @sprint.com -- this may be different at other locations. (6) Comments on advantages: (a) SprintMail users can now communicate with INTERNET users, in addition of capabilities to send fax and telex messages and to exchange binary files (such as of WordPerfect word processor) with the use of XMODEM protocol among SprintMail users. (b) SprintMail users may also access various electronic forums of INTERNET, such as "Educational Technology (EDTECH)" at the Michigan State University, "On-line Journal of Distance Education and Communication" at the University of Alaska Southeast in Juneau, "Information System for Advanced Academic Computing (ISAAC)" at the University of Washington in Seattle, "Kidsnet" at the University of Pittsburgh, "Technology Transfer List" at Carnegie Mellon University, and many, many others around the world. (c) Many people whose schools or organizations have not yet subscrib- ed to INTERNET or BITNET can subscribe SprintMail to take the above mentioned advantages very cost effectively, as subscribing SprintMail on an individual basis. They do not need to wait their schools or organizations to subscribe INTERNET or BITNET. This is a special advantage to people in overseas and third world countries where there are not many people who do not yet need to have such communication -- their subscription rates based on annual budget of applying organization may be too high for few professors' use, e.g., 1,800,000 yen (appr. = $13,000) in Japan. (d) Since other networks, such as MCI Mail, CompuServe, Alternex (worldwide networks -- including PeaceNet/EcoNet in the U.S. and Pegasus in Australia, etc. -- for Non-Governmental Organiza- tions), etc., have similar connection with INTERNET, SprintMail subscribers can now send their messages to subscribers of those networks, too. SprintMail users do not need to subscribe many networks -- only one stop for their daily log-on and retrieval of their messages. (7) Comments on disadvantages: (a) Addressing system is rather long, and cumbersome to type it without error. However, if you devise a macro key for the same character string, you can avoid it and type it with one finger touch. (b) Messages sent from SprintMail to INTERNET address do not provide with receipt when they have received by addressees -- serious deficit of INTERNET/BITNET mailing system, as does for the messages among SprintMail subscribers or sent to fax machines. The message requested for receipt is marked with "Receipt Notification Requested" when they arrived at INTERNET addressee, but its notification is up to the receiver's action. (c) The messaging system of INTERNET (and particularly of BITNET) is to pass a message from one computer to next at their subscribers' institutions, until it finds the destination -- it is a kind of "Passing-a-Hot-Potato" type transmission. The computer in between the message's path sometimes crashes, losing messages en route, or some computers, especially in Japanese schools, are shut down for lunch or during off-peak hours due to labor regulation, not accepting incoming messages thereby rejecting them with "time-out." So, without having receipt feature, senders of messages do not know until they receive replies from receivers. (d) Also, for security reason, confidential messages would better be sent via licensed communication carriers, such as SprintMail, or courier service vendors, rather than INTERNET or BITNET. - ---------- ------- End of Forwarded Message