Return-Path: <@CS.CMU.EDU:Hans.Tallis@LATEEN.PC.CS.CMU.EDU> Received: from CS.CMU.EDU by K.GP.CS.CMU.EDU; 23 May 89 16:11:53 EDT Received: from LATEEN.PC.CS.CMU.EDU by CS.CMU.EDU; 23 May 89 16:09:31 EDT Date: Tue, 23 May 1989 16:08-EDT From: Hans.Tallis@ML.RI.CMU.EDU To: bovik@cs Subject: tent buying advice Message-Id: <611957283/tallis@LATEEN.PC.CS.CMU.EDU> Harry, Going camping? --Hans Well, I've learned a lot about tents in the past week or so. Thanks again to everyone who replied. I hope this information will prove of value to others. A good sourcebook is Colin Fletcher's The Complete Walker, available at popular bookstores. It is generally considered the backpacker's bible, and from the little I've read in it, it deserves the title. Colin's view of tents isn't too favorable; he seems to do generally without them whenever possible. In the summer they are most useful for keeping bugs off. Rain can often be handled without resorting to a full tent. Below I summarize responses; near the end is a nifty spreadsheet evaluation of lots of different 2-man tent models. It basically combines weight, size, and price information into an overall rating for a variety of tents. (To print it out, try "enscript -1 -r -fCourier5 tent.info".) It ignores more features than it includes, however, so don't just pick the winner and buy it. Also there are probably some data entry errors (corrections welcome). There are a bewildering number of features to look for in a tent. The original mail messages below discuss them in more detail; check them for the full story. weight price height/volume vestibule? (useful for shielding packs and drying clothes) warranty full-covering fly vs. partial ease of setting up wind resistance (varies inversely with volume) bathtub floor? seams? workmanship quality flow-through ventilation ease of entry seasons: 1/3/4 pole quality For the novice camper, it seems the consensus advice is to go buy a cheap tent and get some experience before investing in a several hundred dollar model. The local Sears and KMart stores stock $50 tents. At least two people report satisfaction with this quality of tent. If you're car camping, you always have the option of just driving to the closest motel if the weather is really bad. It's also possible to rent tents; this gives you a chance to try several models before buying one. If you want a better tent, I heartily recommend spending some time talking to the people at Outdoor Experience (if you're here in Pittsburgh). Their prices are competitive (they'll match any advertised price) and they stock a large variety of tents, so you'll want to buy from there anyway. -------------------------------------------------------------mails From: Paul Christopher Workman Have you considered army surplus? I can't help wondering if what you're looking for isn't really available, and that you might have to go for the kind of tent that people can stand up in, as opposed to one where people can sit in. My parents had a tent like that, which had a "ceiling" about 5'6" on the sides to 8" in the middle. It could "house" or "tent" about 6 or 8 people if it was so desired. If you'll be carrying the tent on the top of your car, perhaps you should get one of these kinds of tents. paul From: Rick Kazman Hans, I would like to put my vote in for two things: 1) buy your tent from Outdoor Experience--they're competitively priced, convenient, reasonable people, and I think that we should support local business, assuming that we don't have to take too much of a beating to do so. I bought my backpack from them, and it was the exact same price as Campmor charged. 2) buy a two man tent. In backpacking, I feel that less is more, if you get my drift. I've carried some very heavy packs, and regretted every item I had where I purchased a cheaper, heavier model than I really needed. This, of course, changes depending on the type of camping that you want to do. If you're doing car camping (as I suspect :-), then buy that all canvas 6 person tent, otherwise, buy the lightest two-man that you can get away with. Three man tents are always tight for three men (I'm speaking from experience here). rick From: Stephen.Wadlow@CAD.CS.CMU.EDU Hmm. the main thing that comes to mind is have a floor that actually rides up the wall 3-4" and is made of a pretty tough, waterproof material. This will help to keep you and your equipment dry. On the same topic, the less seams you have in the floor, the better you off you are. Nothing else major comes to mind (i'm not really with it right now...) but I recommend getting a campmor catalog (I may have an old one, but I doubt it...) and seeing what they have in comparison to the outdoor experience. OE will match campmores pricing, and you get to see the tents beforehand. steve From: Larry.Matthies@IUS1.CS.CMU.EDU Hans, I have a Eureka Timberline, two-person model, that I bought about six years ago for less than $120. It weights about 7 pounds. Its easy to set up, comfortable for two, and generally very satisfactory. As you may find from other responses, it is a very popular tent. I think its one of the best price-performers around; price-wise, its at the low end of the "decent" class of backpacking tents. Larry From: Eugene Miya I don't know. Get something light. Don't depend on Brand names. Get something cheap, oh, I know, ANALYZE your REQUIREMENTS! Like are you going to use in winter? Then decide on that basis. 3-man tents. Humm, there was a general rule 3 lbs per person. Year ago I got a Sierra Designs 3-Man. It's 8 lbs. But you can stand in it, so its light. No longer made. I frequently use it with only 2 people, and frequently squeeze 4 in it. Its also good in winter. --enm From: chucks@acdpyr.UCAR.EDU (Chuck Smythe) My experience, for what it's worth: For the sort of use you describe, you want to look for 1)light 2) easy to set up, especially in a wind 3) light 4) something like a vestibule to get muddy boots, etc out of the rain 5) light 6) durable 7) light I personally like my North Face Westwind a lot (it qualifies on all the counts above) but it is a bit on the expensive side if you're not into Serious Backpacking. If you don't camp in cold and windy places very much, several models are made mostly of mosquito netting and are even lighter than the 5 1/2 lbs. of my tent. (And maybe cheaper.) Free-standing tents are nice on count 2, especially if you have to pitch one in an awkward place, but I've never found one with a vestibule. If money is a serious problem, Eureka tents seem to be relatively cheap and well made (but not especially light). The cheapest sources seem to be REI and Campmor. Hope this is of some use to you. -- Chuck Smythe From: "Roger Hayes" My experience is that I am very sensitive to weight on a bike -- more so than on foot, oddly enough -- and I spend less time in the tent on a bike trip, since there are usually picnic shelters & so forth. So I say, if it's primarily a bike tent, go as light as you can. After all, if the weather is truly miserable, you should be in a motel anyway. That option does not exist on most backpacking trips. Roger Hayes rogerh@arizona.edu From: johnson@eceugs.ncsu.edu (Amy Johnson) Hi. I have a Sierra Designs Sleeve Flashlite. I used it for a cross-country bike tour and it worked great. It is ~4 lbs and incredibly easy to set up. The only complaint I had was that ventilation wasn't great on hot nights, but I'm not sure that anyone's tent was any better since we all ended up sleeping on picnic tables those steamy nights. Amy From: mhf@briar.philips.com (Myron Frommer;6270;2.12;$0143) I am looking for advice on a tent style. I've been considering the following Eureka tents: Wind River 6 (dome), Alpine Meadows 6 (self-supporting A-frame with center hoop) and the Willow Creek 2/4/6 series umbrella. The considerations I have are (in no particular order): 1) Must be able to stand up in it. 2) One tent is for 2 adults, the other for 5 kids, ages 5 to 14. 3) Room for gear. 4) Good rain resistance. 5) Ease in set-up and take-down. >From what I can gather there may be more walk-around room and useful corners in the dome than the A-frame. Two A-frames would require less site area than two domes. The umbrella has better ventilation, but how about rain protection? It may also be a bit high in the center for someone 5'6" to put up easily. I've used the Wind River 6 for the kids, and it also did well in an awful storm. Just got a bit steamy at night with the kids +1 adult. Any advice will be appreciated. P.S. While we're asking for advice, are there any advantages of liquid fuel vs propane for Coleman lanterns and stoves? From: lasala@svax.cs.cornell.edu (Steve LaSala) In article <4995@pt.cs.cmu.edu> you write: > >I'm looking to buy a two-man tent with enough room inside for both to sit in. >It would be for general purpose use, perhaps for bike touring, and maybe >light-duty backpacking. I'm new to this game, so I'm looking for some advice. > > - What are good brand names? Eureka, Moss, Walrus, Bibler, Sierra Designs, The North Face > > - Where should I buy from? Mail order? Local retailer? Depends. I don't know how outdoor-oriented Pittsburgh is, or in what style. Most "outdoorsmen's" or "hunting and camping" stores won't have the lightweight stuff you seem to be looking for. Try an outdoor specialty store, or try ordering from REI, Beans, Campmor. It's a bit of a trip for you, but if you're up this way, Eureka (one of the largest US manufacturers) has a factory and off-price store in Binghampton NY. > > - What sort of features should I look for in a good tent? shock-corded poles, fine (no-see-um) netting, free standing is nice but not essential, 'bathtub' floor, flow-through ventilation, a door at each end is helpful > > - Should I look instead for a 3-man? Many people discount the stated capacity by one, but if you want to stuff this thing in bike bags, you probably want to go for light weight and small size at the expense of interior space. Figure about 20 sq. ft. per person minimum. From: Hal Lillywhite A lot of people would consider my advice herasey (SP?) but if you're just getting started get about the cheapest 3 person dome tent you can find (k-mart or similar stores or discount places). Unless you are out in really nasty weather it will do fine for a while. While you're wearing it out (and maybe deciding if you really want to get serious about this activity) talk to other people about what they have, what they like about it, what they don't like, how much it cost and where, etc. Also save all the good advice you will get in response to your query. Then in a year or 2 you will have a much better idea what you want for how you want to use it. Unless you have an unlimited budget DO NOT buy an expensive tent to start with. Another option is to rent a variety of tents before you buy so you can try out various styles/brands. BTW, in my experience most "3 man" tents would probably be fine for 3 small children although 3 adults can fit inside in a pinch. Enjoy! From: Edward Czeck Probably the best place to get advice is to go to a good outdoor store, (Outdoor Experience in Shadyside or Exkursion in Monroeville) and ask to see tents. Tell them what you want, etc. It's their job and they love doing it. If you are looking for a tent to sit, in rather than just sleep, then you will probably want a dome tent (maximum volume with minimum surface area). These and most others tent (and camping supplies) come in three qualities: cheap, quality at an affordable price, and Mt Everest quality. Cheap you can get at K-mart, or any other department store. The design quality is modified for lower cost, these are good, if you don't mind getting wet when it rains hard, and only want the tent to last a few years, at regular use. The second category is probably where you want to shop, and is the largest market. The Mt Everest class is only if you want to spend a fortune, or plan to camp in gale force wind, rain, and expect the roof to hold a ton of snow. If I were shopping for a tent, in your case, I would go to both Outdoor Experience and Exkursion, to look at tents and know what is available, and the cost etc. It would also be worthwhile to look at a catalog from Campmore (Somewhere in NJ) and REI (Seattle WA) to get a larger selection and table comparisons of the tents. You may also want to look at K-mart or and army/navy store to see their selections, and decide what features you can live without for the lower cost. My only requirements for a tent are: it must have a rain fly which covers to the ground, and I must be able to sit up inside of the tent. Free standing tents, and windows, front and back, for ventilation are also important features. Please forward your responses to Bovik Happy Camping Ed. From: alpope@Sun.COM (Alan L. Pope) Over the last few months I went through this same process. With the selection available I finally threw my hands up in the air and...oh! yeah, what about a decision matrix with multiplan. I am going to try including the spreadsheet I did, hopefully the mailer won't barf. Basically, I needed a two man tent. I set the upper weight for inclusion at 9 lbs. (anything 9 or more not included). Each category was scaled from 1-10 based on the entries in the category. The categories were what was important to me. If you get what is called a two man you may want a vestibule because two man tents usually only fit two w/ no gear space. Let me know if you more info or if this gets trashed. Date: Wed, 17 May 89 13:42:52 CDT From: mjt@wuee1.wustl.edu (Mike Turmon) To: tallis@LATEEN.PC.CS.CMU.EDU Subject: Re: tent buying advice? Cc: I have successfully gone bike touring with a Sierra Designs Clip Flashlight. It is a two-man tent with enough room for both to sit inside--but not for a long time without getting cramped. It has a rain fly which does not have to be on the tent if it is not raining. This is a good thing because it can get hot without ventilation. It is a well-made product. It stood up to some very heavy winds and rain without trouble, and to the wear and tear of 5 weeks of using it every night. The real feature of the tent, though, is that it is easy to put up because the tent has clips which you attach to the tent poles instead of threading the poles through the tent fabric. The result is that it is very easy and quick to put up and down. This is a good thing if you use the tent a lot. Any delay or fuss getting the thing up quickly becomes irritating. The clip Flashlight is very, you know, light. A shade over 3 lbs including poles. The major disadvantage that I know of is that it is not free-standing--it wants to be staked in to the ground. This is not a problem if you are camping on a reasonable surface. We camped in sand once with no problem, and never found a surface too hard to take stakes. (Powder snow might be a problem. Fine, dry sand might also mean trouble.) I guess another disadvantage is that it is kind of expensive, about $150. This is not wildly expensive, but there are cheaper tents. About buying tents. There is a mailorder outfit called Campmor that sells all manner of tents cheaply. I can find their address if you need it. In summary--Get a tent that is light, that is easy to put up and take down, and that will stand up to rain and wind. A rain fly that attaches securely and covers the entire tent is a good mechanism to allow you to be cool and have rain protection when you need it. If you feel good about the Flashlight (You may well hear other good things about it. It is a pretty popular tent.) then it would be reasonable to get it through a mailorder outfit like Campmor. If you feel like you still need help, then go to one of the outdoors places in PGH and ask for advice. (If you do that then it is the morally upstanding thing to buy the tent from them.) If you want another enthusiastic recommendation, try Alan Chung (Alan.Chung@k.gp.cs.cmu.edu -- "research scientist" on the Mach project). I toured with him and we used his Flashlight. Mike Turmon mjt@hyperion.wustl.edu From: mhf@philabs.Philips.Com (Myron Frommer) I've found the best prices for Eureka tents at REI, even BEFORE considering the member rebate at the end of the year. Their # is 1-800-426-4840 You can yet a Eureka catalog from Eureka 1-607-779-2200 There may be an 800 line call 800-555-1212. Eureka is also listed as Johnson Camping Equip. in Binghamton, NY Myron Frommer From: skorstad@p.cs.uiuc.edu Sierra Designs has just come out with a tent that I think has some excellent features. It's called the Super Flash. It's basically a souped-up version of their "Clip Flashlight". It weighs 5 lbs, 4 oz, is more comfortable for two adults than the Clip, and...is a FOUR season tent costing about $215 (at Campmor). The design of the tent is similar to the North Face "Westwind", only a lot cheaper and (probably) easier to pitch. The "Swift Clip" method of attaching the tent body to the poles has made setting up camp a lot easier. I used to own a Eureka "Alpine Meadows". Pitching that tent, especially when windy, was a hassle. Plus, it was overweight. In general, I recommend the following tent manufacturers: Sierra Designs North Face Moss If you have a lot of $$$ to spend, consider Bibler tents...undoubtably among the lightest tents around. I'm generally not too impressed with Eureka tents. Their early A-frame designs aren't competitive in terms of strength and weight. And their new tents are basically copies of designs innovated by the above three companies. G. Skorstad U. Illinois From: jwa@beta.lanl.gov (Wayne Anderson) About the time I moved to New Mexico (11 years ago), Backpacker Magazine ran an article rating 3 season tents. Their hands down choice was the Sierra Design Aeroflex (I'm hoping I remember the name right - I just backpack with it). As I was in need of a new tent, I went out and bought one and have been extremely happy with it. The rain fly is attached to the tent permanently and helps make this tent extremely easy to pitch. In fact I've yet to backpack with anyone that didn't envy the speed with which it goes up, particularly when the clouds are building. The only complaint I can come up with is that the tent is unstable (as are most A frame tents) in high winds unless pitched longitudinally with the direction of the wind. This really was only a problem once when my wife and I were caught in a severe snow/thunderstorm at 12,000' in the Weminuche. The wind switched directions and totally flattened the tent. When the storm endend (~10 min.) it popped back up and we were back in business with no harm done. The only problem I have recommending this tent is that I haven't seen it marketed in a few years. REI used to make a look-alike but I haven't seen it recently in their catalogs. Anyone know what happened? I was recently at the new REI store in Albuquerque looking for a tent for a friend in Austin (he wanted an Aeroflex). The Sierra Design Flashlight looks like a pretty good option at a good price. Just from looking at it, it appears a bit small for two adults, however. Anyone have experience with it? Wayne From: moore%cdr.utah.edu@wasatch.utah.edu (Tim Moore) In article <24473@beta.lanl.gov> jwa@beta.lanl.gov (Wayne Anderson) writes: } }I was recently at the new REI store in Albuquerque looking for a tent }for a friend in Austin (he wanted an Aeroflex). The Sierra Design Flashlight }looks like a pretty good option at a good price. Just from looking at }it, it appears a bit small for two adults, however. Anyone have experience }with it? My parents have a Flashlight and are quite happy with it. It's cozy for two, no question, but certainly adequate for them. They love its light weight and its ease in setting up. }Wayne Tim Moore moore@cs.utah.edu {ut-sally,hplabs}!utah-cs!moore "Y'know, sometimes I wonder - does existence precede essence? Or what?" -Cherry Poptart From: stout@hpl-opus.HP.COM (Cheryl Stout) > I was recently at the new REI store in Albuquerque looking for a tent > for a friend in Austin (he wanted an Aeroflex). The Sierra Design Flashlight > looks like a pretty good option at a good price. Just from looking at > it, it appears a bit small for two adults, however. Anyone have experience > with it? > > Wayne > ---------- I bought a Sierra Designs Sleeve Flashlight last year and used it on a few trips last summer. In general, I am very pleased with it. Two people can sleep comfortably, but there is no room for gear. There isn't much room to sit up in, but there is ample floor space for two large adults. It weighs 3lb. 9oz. and is very easy to set up. It uses 2 poles and must be staked down - not a free-standing design. One feature that is both good and bad is the way the tent slopes at the entrance. You can unzip the opening and look up and see the stars while you are laying in your bag. On the other hand, if the weather is wet, this means that opening the entrance results in some water getting onto the floor of the tent. I was in some fairly strong winds with hail and snow at 12,000' and the tent had no problems. I did seal all the seams myself - as recommended. I think the tent is great for the price - I paid $99 at REI. Cheryl From: simon@nova.laic.uucp (Simon Kao) Someone mentioned the Sierra Designs Flashlight. It's small. Actually, it's thin. The length is fine, but two large-size humans would be cozy. I also used to use a Sierra West tent that had an integral fly (and a screen roof. OK for a quick setup, but no good in the rain. The fly was good for dew, but that was about it. They don't make it anymore anyway. I'm also thinking of buying a tent (the previous two were borrowed). While shopping around, I happened to overhear a couple talking things over with the salesperson. They were looking at a tent that was not free-standing. "Honey," says the male, "I think we need a free-standing tent. Remember when we were at the Matterhorn and couldn't find a place to pitch our tent?" She mumbled something. Anyway, perhaps he wasn't just name-dropping. In any case, how 'bout that for a discussion topic? I haven't yet been to a place where a free-standing tent was absolutely necessary (but then again, I've never had to use an old-fashioned tent that needed a zillion stakes to make it stand up, either). --Simon Kao ...!{lll-lcc, pyramid}!leadsv!laic!cosmos!kao From: engber@shorty.CS.WISC.EDU (Mike Engber) I own the Mobile Dome by Sierra West. REI is running it on mail order sale for 149.99 in their caming '89 catalog. some points about it: + it has factory sealed seams + it is a four season tent + it has zip close mesh ceiling for summer use - it has pole sleaves instead of swift clips - it weighs 7 lb 7oz - a little heavy for 2 people They also have the Litehouse & Guest House on sale. On the net I recall reading something about Sierra West going under. This may explain the sale. As far as I know, Sierra West makes the only tents with factory sealed seams. Why doesn't anyone else. If Sierra Designs made a seam sealed tent with swift clips it seems like they'd have a big seller since those are the two features I want in a tent (I haven't actually used swift clips, but they sound so good - they have to be better than sleaves - anyone care to comment?) -ME From: carnes@ico.ISC.COM (Steve Carnes) In article <7557@spool.cs.wisc.edu> engber@shorty.cs.wisc.edu (Mike Engber) writes: > >I own the Mobile Dome by Sierra West. REI is running it on mail order sale >for 149.99 in their caming '89 catalog. > >They also have the Litehouse & Guest House on sale. On the net I recall >reading something about Sierra West going under. This may explain the sale. I own one as well and love it! Easy to pitch, reasonably bombproof in windy conditions, and dry as a cracker in wet. (It's also a nice light blue color, to answer the concerns of another poster!) I wanted a vestibule for it and called Sierra West, but the woman there told me they were getting out of the tentmaking business. So a week ago, I found an REI vestibule on sale for $20 and, with only the minor additions of some velcro, it's going to work just fine. Another person asked if a truly freestanding tent is necessary. No, but it's nice. In desert camping, it's sometimes difficult to find either ground *soft* enough to push in the stakes, or ground *hard* enough to hold the stakes once pushed in. In severe winds, a non-freestander will collapse if the stakes pull out. One last advantage is the ability to pick up the whole damn thing, invert it, and shake out all the dirt and sand before collapsing it packing it away. From: clindh@bally.Bally.COM (Christer Lindh) In article <564@laic.UUCP> simon@nova.laic.uucp (Simon Kao) writes: > > Someone mentioned the Sierra Designs Flashlight. It's small. Actually, > it's thin. The length is fine, but two large-size humans would be cozy. > I recently bought a Sierra Design Bike Light, a 3-season free-standing tent with clips instead of sleeves, it weighs something like 3.5 pounds. I choosed between that and the Flashlight, and took the Bike Light as it is freestanding and has headroom. It's also a little lighter. It costed me $150. There's also a little larger version of this tent called "Half Moon". Took it out to Lovers Leap this weekend, it worked just fine. Very easy to pitch, enough room for two if you like each other... It's propably not the best tent in nasty weather though, the fly does not go all the way to the ground. -- clindh@bally.COM :: Bally Systems, Reno, NV, :: BOYCOTT GRAVITY (702) 323-6156 :: From: marks%ssdevo.DEC.COM@mountn.dec.com The most recent edition of the REI Camping catalog has several new tent designs. Also, I found the Strength Index ratings for each tent a useful addition to the comparison figures. The higher the Strength Index, the more resistantance to being flattened by wind. An index of 40 corresponds roughly to being able to reliably withstand 40mph winds. Randy From: bgreen@zodiac.ADS.COM (Barbara Green) I became a big fan of free-standing tents a couple of years ago when my friends all were able to pitch their tents on high (hard!) ground, but I had to pitch my Moss on softer, lower ground near a meadow. The next morning, my daughter and I were covered with ICE, while my friends were dry as a bone. Now I have a Sierra Designs Stretched Dome that I really like -- free-standing, good in a wind, sleeps 3, and weighs 7 lbs. 10 oz., including vestibule and fly. Barbara Green ---------------------------------------lots of tent data, 210 cols wide------- ------------for some sorting, cat through "sort 0.205n" or "sort 0.195n"------ by Alan L. Pope updated, reformatted by Hans Tallis ---------------------------------------- Weight Points Key: (180-weight)/12.5 Sqr Ft Points Key: (SqFt-21)/4.5 Height Points Key: (Ht-39)/1.7 Price Points Key: (400-price)/31 Shape Points Key: Slant=0, tube=1, tunnel=2, dome=3 Vestibule Points Key: none=0, attached=1, detached=2 Seasons Points Key: two=0, three=1, 3.5=2, four=3 (a lot of questionable entries below) "Physical Points" includes all but Price Points. For the continuous attributes, $31 = 12.5oz = 4.5sqft = 1.7in-height REI, North Face, Walrus, Eureka, North Face/Windy Pass, LL Bean, Gregory, Moss, Sears, Sierra Design ------------------------------------- Tent Name Tent Vestibule Total Square Vestibule Total Tent Tent Vestibule Total Total Wt Tot Sqr Ft Height Price Vestibule Seasons Shape TOTAL Physical Weight Weight Weight Feet Square Ft Square Ft Height Price Price Price Vestibule Seasons Shape Points Points Points Points Points Points Points POINTS Points =================================================================================================================================== ========================================================== ========== ======== REI Mountain Hut-2 122 14 136 52.8 8 60.8 47 200.00 50.00 250.00 2 1 4 4 9 5 5 2 3 3 31 26 REI Geo Dome 2 133 32 165 42.5 12 54.5 48 149.00 30.00 179.00 2 1 3 1 7 5 7 2 1 3 26 19 REI Mountain Home 126 0 126 31.3 0 31.3 48 250.00 0.00 250.00 1 1 2 4 2 5 5 1 1 2 20 15 REI Dome 110 0 110 41 0 41 52 150.00 0.00 150.00 0 1 3 6 4 8 8 0 1 3 30 22 REI Taymor Hosteller 67 0 67 34 0 34 42 100.00 0.00 100.00 0 1 0 9 3 2 10 0 1 0 25 15 REI Diamond Free Spirit 108 22 130 35 10.5 45.5 42 100.00 20.00 120.00 2 1 1 4 5 2 9 2 1 1 24 15 REI ET-2 Hobitat 102 0 102 36 0 36 45 400.00 0.00 400.00 0 4 3 6 3 4 0 0 3 3 19 19 REI Trail Dome 100 0 100 41 0 41 52 125.00 0.00 125.00 0 3 3 6 4 7 9 0 1 3 30 23 REI Clipper 2 117 0 117 42.8 0 42.8 51.5 150.00 0.00 150.00 0 3 3 5 5 7 8 0 1 3 29 21 NF Bull Frog 99.5 0 99.5 35 0 35 45 330.00 0.00 330.00 0 1 0 6 3 4 2 0 1 0 16 14 NF Westwind 94 0 94 32 8 40 44 325.00 0.00 325.00 1 4 2 7 4 3 2 1 3 2 22 20 NF Tadpole 64 0 64 27 0 27 39 260.00 0.00 260.00 0 1 1 9 1 0 5 0 1 1 17 12 NF Boulder 140 ? 140 43 7.3 50.3 46 400.00 0.00 400.00 1 4 3 3 7 4 0 1 3 3 21 21 NF Salamander 90 0? 90 36 0 36 42 240.00 0.00 240.00 0 3 3 8 3 2 5 0 1 3 22 17 NFWP VE-23 134 0 134 43 7 50 46 300.00 0.00 300.00 1 1 3 4 6 4 3 1 1 3 22 19 NFWP Dragon Fly 88 0 88 44.9 0 44.9 43 185.00 0.00 185.00 0 1 0 7 5 2 7 0 1 0 22 15 NFWP 23 112 0 112 43 0 43 46 200.00 0.00 200.00 0 1 3 5 5 4 6 0 1 3 24 18 NFWP Skeeter 112 0 112 43 0 43 46 220.00 0.00 220.00 0 1 3 5 5 4 6 0 1 3 24 18 NFWP Trekker 24 136 28 164 43 9 52 49 240.00 49.99 289.99 2 3 3 1 7 6 4 2 3 3 26 22 SD Bike Light 55 0 55 27 0 27 41 149.99 0.00 149.99 0 0 2 10 1 1 8 0 0 2 22 14 SD Half Moon 70 0 70 32 0 32 46 189.99 0.00 189.99 0 1 2 9 2 4 7 0 1 2 25 18 SD Clip Flashlight 61 0 61 34 0 34 43 99.99 0.00 99.99 0 1 0 10 3 2 10 0 1 0 26 16 SD Super Flash 85 0 85 34 0 34 45 215.00 0.00 215.00 0 3 2 8 3 4 6 0 3 2 26 20 SD Meteor Light 92 0 92 40 0 40 46 189.99 0.00 189.99 0 1 2 7 4 4 7 0 1 2 25 18 SD Comet 111 0 111 50 0 50 53 249.99 0.00 249.99 0 1 2 6 6 8 5 0 1 2 28 23 SD Stretch Dome 123 9 132 46 8 54 51 279.99 48.00 327.99 2 3 2 4 7 7 2 2 3 2 27 25 SD Clip Dome 2-B 106 0 106 45 0 45 48 199.99 0.00 199.99 0 1 2 6 5 5 6 0 1 2 25 19 Wal Orbit 117 16 133 44.5 12 56.5 45 325.00 40.00 365.00 2 4 3 4 8 4 1 2 3 3 25 24 Wal Rocket 78 16 94 38 12 50 43 199.00 40.00 239.00 2 3 2 7 6 2 5 2 1 2 25 20 Wal Lightyear 52 14 64 40 12 52 43 165.00 50.00 215.00 2 3 1 9 7 2 6 2 1 1 28 22 Wal Moonrock 107 0 107 35 0 35 42 0.00 0.00 0.00 0 3 3 6 3 2 ? 0 1 3 ? 17 Greg Mountaineer II 107 0 107 38 0 38 42 399.00 0.00 399.00 0 4 3 6 4 2 0 0 3 3 18 18 Greg Serenity Base 91 0 91 38 0 38 43 359.00 0.00 359.00 0 3 3 8 4 2 1 0 1 3 19 18 Greg Solitary Base 63 0 63 29 0 29 36 0.00 0.00 0.00 0 2 3 10 1 -2 ? 0 0 3 ? 12 Moss Stardome II ? ? 102 36 9 45 ? 0.00 0.00 0.00 1 4 3 7 5 5? ? 1 3 3 ? 23 Moss Startrak ? ? 104 35 14 49 ? 0.00 0.00 0.00 1 3 3 6 6 5? ? 1 1 3 ? 21 Moss Stargazer ? ? 108 41.2 10.9 52.1 ? 0.00 0.00 0.00 1 3 3 6 7 5? ? 1 1 3 ? 22 Moss Starlet II ? ? 78 29 8.5 37.5 39 280.00 0.00 280.00 1 3 2 8 4 0 4 1 1 2 20 16 Moss Olympic ? ? 116 42.5 13 55.5 52 410.00 0.00 410.00 1 4 3 5 8 8 ? 1 3 3 27 27 Eur Cirrus 64 0 64 29 0 29 45 119.99 0.00 119.99 0 1 0 9 0 4 9 0 1 0 23 14 Eur Skyline 104 0 104 41 0 41 46 299.00 0.00 299.00 1 1 3 6 4 4 3 1 1 3 22 19 Eur Alpine Meadows 122 16 138 37.6 14 51.6 48 140.00 28.00 168.00 2 1 1 3 7 5 7 2 1 1 26 19 Eur Traverse 123 36 159 37.5 17 54.5 41 280.00 65.00 345.00 2 3 3 2 7 1 2 2 3 3 20 18 Eur Timberline 111 16 127 37.6 10.5 48.1 42 109.99 26.95 136.94 2 1 1 4 6 2 8 2 1 1 24 16 Eur Outfitter 135 16 151 37.6 10.5 48.1 42 164.95 29.00 193.95 2 3 1 2 6 2 7 2 3 1 23 16 Eur Timberline Deluxe 124 16 140 40 10.5 50.5 42 159.99 29.00 188.99 2 3 1 3 6 2 7 2 3 1 24 17 Eur Autumn Wind 100 0 100 39.1 3 42.1 44 199.99 0.00 199.99 1 1 0 6 5 3 6 1 1 0 22 16 Eur Rising Sun 78 0 78 29.2 2.25 31.45 39 159.99 0.00 159.99 1 1 0 8 2 0 8 1 1 0 20 12 Eur Teal Dome 2 114 0 114 42 0 42 52 99.99 0.00 99.99 0 1 3 5 5 8 10 0 1 3 32 22 Eur East Dome 2 89 0 89 42 0 42 52 149.99 0.00 149.99 0 2 3 7 5 8 8 0 2 3 33 25 Eur Wind River 2 142 38 180 42 11 53 48 134.99 40.00 174.99 2 2 3 0 7 5 7 2 2 3 26 19 Eur Geom East 1 127 36 163 42 11 53 48 169.99 40.00 209.99 2 3 3 1 7 5 6 2 3 3 27 21 Eur Geom EX 3 139 36 175 51 16 67 48 310.00 75.00 385.00 2 3 3 0 10 5 0 2 3 3 23 23 Eur Essex 2 132 0 132 38.51 0 38.51 40 169.00 0.00 169.00 0 1 3 4 4 1 7 0 1 3 20 13 Eur Sentinel 128 18 146 40 11 51 46 295.00 60.00 355.00 2 3 2 3 7 4 1 2 3 2 22 21 Eur Aurora 172 29 201 41 11 52 48 199.00 0.00 199.00 2 1 1 -2 7 5 7 2 0 1 20 13 Eur Pine Bluff 106 0 106 42 0 42 52 ? ? 0 1 3 6 5 8 ? 0 0 3 ? 22 Eur Denali 157 0 157 43 9.95 53 47 299.00 0.00 299.00 1 3 3 2 7 5 3 1 1 3 22 19 Kelt Triple Crown 104 0 104 38.2 18 56.2 49 399.95 0.00 399.95 1 3 2 6 8 6 0 1 3 2 26 26 Kelt Windfoil-2 101 0 101 41.5 0 41.5 44 400.00 0.00 400.00 0 4 3 6 5 3 0 0 3 3 20 20 LLB Bean's Dome Tent 120 0 120 42.3 0 42.3 52 89.50 0.00 89.50 0 1 3 5 5 8 10 0 1 3 32 22 LLB Expedition Dome 142 0 142 42.3 0 42.3 56 159.00 0.00 159.00 0 3 3 3 5 10 8 0 3 3 32 24 LLB Easy-Pitch Geodesic 125 0 125 42.3 0 42.3 53 149.00 0.00 149.00 0 3 3 4 5 8 8 0 3 3 31 23 Sears 5x7 Pup Tent 56 0 56 35 0 35 42 19.76 0.00 19.76 0 1 2 10 3 2 12 0 0 2 29 17 Sears 6x7 Dome 96 0 96 42 0 42 48 39.94 0.00 39.94 0 1 3 7 5 5 12 0 0 3 32 20